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Tracing: My Two Cents

Sat Feb 7, 2009, 2:04 AM
These are some of my thoughts in light of the whole tracing debacle that is currently being discussed on deviantArt, in particular in response to this news article. If you agree with me, you might be interested in this stamp and the *stop-tracing club, which tries to help learning artists not become mired in tracing.

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I could care less about the fine details of copyright law and whether it or not is legal to post a traced anime screenshot on a website. What bothers me is an art site's official policy considering tracing to be art, and then seemingly welcoming it.

Art should be something the artist worked on to create. We all are at different stages of learning and improving, but I salute artists that try their best to create something on their own, even if it is not of the same "quality" as the official art they could have traced. Those are the artists that will get better, since they are trying to learn for themselves how to render shapes as they see them and what constitutes a good composition, while the tracers stagnate, mindlessly copying the predetermined lines before them. Encouraging dA members to move away from tracing or heavily referencing another artist's work is a much better way of "nurturing [their] inner artist" than simply giving tracing a blanket stamp of approval.

Based on the public outcry, it seems most members of deviantArt hold a similar view of tracing as I do. Therefore, I do not understand why, if "every staff member, volunteer, and member is a contributing factor to deviantART’s success," the community's opinions are being so condescendingly shot down in favor of merely following some legal minimum.

The ideal deviantArt that I envision in my mind is a place where all the members self-moderate and only post the art that they themselves know they have tried their hardest to create. That is primarily why I am disgusted by this issue: this policy officially lowers the standards for what is acceptable and discourages self-moderation. This policy goes against "a passion for excellence, quality and creativity" or any attempt "to instill these values in our community."

We need to stop worrying about what is legal, and instead consider what would be best for deviantArt as a community of growing artists. I believe allowing tracing runs counter to the goals deviantArt itself proclaims.

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:iconacidshadow:
I do say I disagree with this new DA policy. I mean, I don't mind if someone traced my art and gave credit to me just to learn how to draw but if someone abuses tht and refuses to credit me even if I ask? and DA sides with them? how is that fair? I agree with you, DA shoudl support creativity and although tracing can be part of learning how to create, it shouldn't be abused.

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Well said. :salute:

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In my mind copying (not tracing, mind you) is something you do in your sketchbook to learn how someone achieved something. After you've absorbed whatever you needed from their work, you can transfer that lesson into your own, original work. It is not, and never should be, something you proudly display as your own. (Fanart fuzzies this line a bit. I'm as guilty of that as anyone else.)

All that tracing does, as far as I can see, is produce a near mechanical reproduction. That's fine if you're tracing or lightboxing your own work in order to have a clean copy, or making something for your own amusment. But we are not reproductionists. Nor are we fourth graders with "how to draw horses" books pressed up against windows. Tracing is fun because it does allow you a shortcut to work that looks pretty good, but it isnt art. It isnt your skill being praised.

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:iconstareon:
What the hell? dA says tracing is A-OK now?!

To me, this just proves that dA is focusing more one its social networking features than providing any semblance of quality control.

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:iconfailedvocabulary:
do i fall into the "tracing" category. I take a pose and then draw it free hand, but if i think about it harder is that technically "tracing?"

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:iconritabuuk:
No, that is referencing or "eyeballing" and it is completely different from tracing. You still should try your best to move away from relying on referencing too heavily, although it is a good learning tool when trying to capture a particular style or figure out how to draw a certain character or difficult pose. I think referencing is more effective than tracing because when you reference, you still need to approximate distances and angles with your own mind, training yourself to draw what you see (which is extremely important). With tracing, it is an easy trap to just follow along the lines and learn little, if anything at all.

Even non-beginning artists need to reference sometimes. If no one like you is around for me to ask to stand in a ridiculous position, I would need to try to find a picture to figure out how shoulders work (though I would not be copying it exactly, but trying to understand how the pose would look).

Like I've told you before, you've graduated from so heavily referencing the poses of official art. Now I want to see some more awesome unique fanart from you. =D It's infinitely more interesting to see a new pose that you made up, rather than the same official art copied by everyone on the internet ad nauseam, particularly when so much of it is traced and 100% identical line for line if held up to the original.
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I just want to clarify: using references is absolutely fine. Otherwise, we would have to draw fanart from our heads, and we would forget all the details and such. Or we wouldn't have any idea of the shape of something like a certain fish, or the color of a certain flower, etc.

I have a version of my Zero drawing in progress with the reference pictures I used right on the Photoshop file. I needed to use references, so that I actually drew Zero looking somewhat like Zero, but I didn't copy any of them. Referencing heavily, where you copy the source exactly (without tracing), is okay to learn, but not really original. You know I copied the poses of Pokemon all the time when I was younger by looking at Pokemon cards. But now we are both well at the stage where we can look at the official art to be sure to get the details right, and then draw them without needing to copy the poses.
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Does Bard in Tress fall into the "non-eyeballed" genre. I think it does, but I am unsure.

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It looks pretty unique to me. It doesn't sound like you were copying anything. And even if you had found a suitable reference for the pose before you finished your drawing, it would have been fine to glean information from it.

Also, it is fine to trace your own work. If you wanted to trace Bard in the Trees to a clean new sheet of paper, so that you don't have erased pencil lines messing up your colored penciling, or if you want to adjust something that you already inked (like trying again on the flute), that is perfectly acceptable.

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